guilds being disbanded during the ban - Guild Wars Forums

a-kyle · May 27, 2010, 12:27 PM // 12:27

What happens if you were not botting, but your guild had say 60% botters, would you be banned or would those 60% be banned and the guild broken up?

their is a saying in school we use for group work and plagiarism - if one brings you down you all go down.

does the same type of idea apply here?

Eragon Zarroc · May 27, 2010, 12:35 PM // 12:35

more than likely the guild would be broken up, but idk. i think the guilds that primarily got disbanded though were the ones that had blatant names like "We Would Never[BoT]" or "Interrupts Work Better With [Bots]" and similar names. If you joined a guild with a name like that, it kinda goes without saying that you know the main intent of most members of the guild ;-)

if you didn't bot though, u shouldn't get banned for the actions of others

names are purely fictional and made up as an example

willie nelson · May 27, 2010, 12:37 PM // 12:37

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Originally Posted by a-kyle

their is a saying in school we use for group work and plagiarism - if one brings you down you all go down.

does the same type of idea apply here?

No, if you didn't bot you won't get banned.
You will have to look for a new guild though.

Essence Snow · May 27, 2010, 01:29 PM // 13:29

From what I've heard (don't want to start any rumors, so don't tell nobody...lol) several lets just say prominent guilds (both PvE and PvP)have had masses banned. Now, I do not know the fate of said guilds after the formentioned bans, but I do know that many of their members visit this site on a regular basis. Maybe if they would be so kind (even though not happy campers atm), they might be able to answer more directly. One guild even thinks they made Dhuum's public executions b/c of them...lol.....highly doubt that...more of a coincidence imo...a laughable coicidence.

Alyssaa · May 27, 2010, 02:09 PM // 14:09

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Originally Posted by a-kyle

What happens if you were not botting, but your guild had say 60% botters, would you be banned or would those 60% be banned and the guild broken up?

their is a saying in school we use for group work and plagiarism - if one brings you down you all go down.

does the same type of idea apply here?

No, the Guild won't break up. Not in this case though;

I'm not going into it, but a particular PvE guild (70+ members), which had 30+ people botting, is not disbanded/deleted. It's just dead.

axe · May 27, 2010, 02:14 PM // 14:14

Prob. the guilds that were match manip. using bots or not, I would imagine those type guilds got all or most of their members banned.

Quaker · May 27, 2010, 03:10 PM // 15:10

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Originally Posted by a-kyle

What happens if you were not botting, but your guild had say 60% botters, would you be banned or would those 60% be banned and the guild broken up?

The guild would not be "broken up" - that is, the bans wouldn't force the guild to break up. The 40% remaining could carry on just fine, if they wanted to. There could be some problems if the leader was one of the banned, but eventually someone would get auto-assigned as leader. As long as you are not doing anything that requires a leader - such as joining an Alliance - you don't specifically need a leader anyway.

Find_&_Seek · May 27, 2010, 03:15 PM // 15:15

One of my Friends had his main account banned due to him being in a guild with apparent botters, Its unfortunate due to the fact I know he would not use them, I guess its a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, simple fact tho if you know of people who are botting or using bots don't get involved with them.

Wyndy · May 27, 2010, 03:47 PM // 15:47

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Originally Posted by Find_&_Seek

One of my Friends had his main account banned due to him being in a guild with apparent botters, Its unfortunate due to the fact I know he would not use them, I guess its a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, simple fact tho if you know of people who are botting or using bots don't get involved with them.

This makes no sense. The evidence for banning is based on the ACCOUNT, not the guild. People are not getting banned because of their association with a guild, they are getting banned because they botted themselves.

Essence Snow · May 27, 2010, 03:52 PM // 15:52

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Originally Posted by Find_&_Seek

One of my Friends had his main account banned due to him being in a guild with apparent botters, Its unfortunate due to the fact I know he would not use them, I guess its a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, simple fact tho if you know of people who are botting or using bots don't get involved with them.

I would think syncing would be more of an issue concerning this person.....or there is the slim chance that they randomly got place on teams with other members of their guild that were botting, but I highly doubt that.

*Darcy* · May 27, 2010, 08:41 PM // 20:41

After all these years, everyone knows the procedure. If you got an undeserved ban, then contact support. There have been cases of mistakes being made by ArenaNet, which is why they will review if you can explain your actions. Tell that to your friend.

ArenaNet said that they disbanded some guilds. I would imagine they were ranked guilds on the ladder who gained that rank through cheating. Otherwise, its just lost members and/or officers and guild leaders.

TheRaven · May 28, 2010, 12:03 AM // 00:03

I kinda got the impression that it was more of an auto-disband. For example, what would happen to a guild if the leader and all it's officers were banned? Would an ordinary guild member be promoted to leader or would the guild simply be disbanded?

What if it's a tiny 4 or 5 man guild and everyone was banned? Auto-disband?

As far as guilt by association is concerned, what would happen in this example? Let's say you have a GvG or HA guild core team of 8 players that always team together. Of these 8, 5 are botters and 3 aren't, but those 3 are well aware that their teammates bot and have been reaping the benefits from those bots even though they themselves haven't used them. Would those 3 be banned as well? Should they be?

Axeman002 · May 28, 2010, 08:47 AM // 08:47

man it must suck if the entire guild gets disbanded...but there is so many guilds out there im sure there isnt a shortage for you guys to go to lol

May 27, 2010, 12:27 PM // 12:27	#1
a-kyle Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2008 Profession: A/R	guilds being disbanded during the ban What happens if you were not botting, but your guild had say 60% botters, would you be banned or would those 60% be banned and the guild broken up? their is a saying in school we use for group work and plagiarism - if one brings you down you all go down. does the same type of idea apply here?

May 27, 2010, 12:35 PM // 12:35	#2
Eragon Zarroc Atra estern?? ono thelduin Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Madness Incarnate Guild: [Duo] Profession: W/P	more than likely the guild would be broken up, but idk. i think the guilds that primarily got disbanded though were the ones that had blatant names like "We Would Never[BoT]" or "Interrupts Work Better With [Bots]" and similar names. If you joined a guild with a name like that, it kinda goes without saying that you know the main intent of most members of the guild ;-) if you didn't bot though, u shouldn't get banned for the actions of others names are purely fictional and made up as an example Last edited by Eragon Zarroc; May 27, 2010 at 01:12 PM // 13:12..

May 27, 2010, 08:41 PM // 20:41	#11
Darcy Never Too Old Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rhode Island where there are no GW contests Guild: Order of First Profession: W/R	After all these years, everyone knows the procedure. If you got an undeserved ban, then contact support. There have been cases of mistakes being made by ArenaNet, which is why they will review if you can explain your actions. Tell that to your friend. ArenaNet said that they disbanded some guilds. I would imagine they were ranked guilds on the ladder who gained that rank through cheating. Otherwise, its just lost members and/or officers and guild leaders. __________________ That's me, the old stick-in-the-mud non-fun moderator. (and non-understanding, also)

May 27, 2010, 01:29 PM // 13:29	#4
Essence Snow Unbridled Enthusiasm! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: EST Guild: DPR	From what I've heard (don't want to start any rumors, so don't tell nobody...lol) several lets just say prominent guilds (both PvE and PvP)have had masses banned. Now, I do not know the fate of said guilds after the formentioned bans, but I do know that many of their members visit this site on a regular basis. Maybe if they would be so kind (even though not happy campers atm), they might be able to answer more directly. One guild even thinks they made Dhuum's public executions b/c of them...lol.....highly doubt that...more of a coincidence imo...a laughable coicidence.

May 27, 2010, 02:14 PM // 14:14	#6
axe Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: Pwn Appetit [NJoy] Profession: W/	Prob. the guilds that were match manip. using bots or not, I would imagine those type guilds got all or most of their members banned.

May 27, 2010, 03:15 PM // 15:15	#8
Find_&_Seek ??? Nyan Nyan Nyan Nyan ??? Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Prolly lurking around on Guru Auctions (UN:killargh)(Store:The Pink Market) if anyones interested ;D Guild: Society Of Souls [Argh] Profession: R/	One of my Friends had his main account banned due to him being in a guild with apparent botters, Its unfortunate due to the fact I know he would not use them, I guess its a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, simple fact tho if you know of people who are botting or using bots don't get involved with them.

May 28, 2010, 12:03 AM // 00:03	#12
TheRaven Desert Nomad Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Virginia Guild: Spirit of Elisha Profession: W/	I kinda got the impression that it was more of an auto-disband. For example, what would happen to a guild if the leader and all it's officers were banned? Would an ordinary guild member be promoted to leader or would the guild simply be disbanded? What if it's a tiny 4 or 5 man guild and everyone was banned? Auto-disband? As far as guilt by association is concerned, what would happen in this example? Let's say you have a GvG or HA guild core team of 8 players that always team together. Of these 8, 5 are botters and 3 aren't, but those 3 are well aware that their teammates bot and have been reaping the benefits from those bots even though they themselves haven't used them. Would those 3 be banned as well? Should they be?

May 28, 2010, 08:47 AM // 08:47	#13
Axeman002 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Sep 2008 Profession: A/Mo	man it must suck if the entire guild gets disbanded...but there is so many guilds out there im sure there isnt a shortage for you guys to go to lol